the BARF diet fir my dog?
Topic: the BARF diet fir my dog?
April 19, 2019 / By Trina Question:
whats are the pros and cons of feeding my dog the BARF (bones and raw food diet? is it cheaper than regular dry food from the store in the long run? ive been kind of reading about it and every website says like feed your dog meat like chicken, but i dont understand. are you supposed to go to wal-mart and by some chicken that humans would season and just give it to the dog?? can someone explain everything and leave some recipes or a website?? thanks soooo much, details appreciated!
i meant for not fir, i dont know how to change it :)
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Sallie | 2 days ago
The following link from the Alberta Veteriniary Medical Association summarizes a lot of the concerns that vets have with raw food diets.
I know the author of the paper personally, and his integrity is beyond reproach. He has no affiliation with any pet food company.
I considered feeding a BARF diet for a while, but the more I learn about it (from reputable sources, not the junk you find spewed around the internet), the more I'm glad I stayed clear.
Edit: Let me in turn remind everyone of a few points:
1. Contamination with bacteria was considered a significant enough problem that the pet food was recalled. An extremely high proportion of raw food is 'contaminated', but its assumed to be 'ok' (i.e. doesn't get recalled).
2. A few excerpts from the article (for those of you who can't be bothered to read the whole thing as it has a whole lot more to say than 'contains bacteria').
"Only one study (1) has looked at the nutritional adequacy of these diets, and it found
significant inadequacies and imbalances."
"Bacteria such as Salmonella, Campylobacter, E coli 0157:H7 (the cause of “hamburger disease”), Yersinia enterolitica, Listeria, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium botulinum, Staphylococcus aureus, and Bacillus cereus, all potentially dangerous veterinary and human pathogens, were documented to be present in raw dog food."
(These aren't 'garden variety' bacteria, many are serious pathogens, and people think its a good idea to put this in their dog)
"Research has also shown that routine cleaning of dog bowls from pets fed raw food may not adequately kill the Salmonella present (10). After putting the dog food bowl through a cycle in a residential dishwasher or after soaking the bowl in a 10% bleach solution for five minutes, Salmonella could still be cultured from at least 67% of the bowls."
(The goal of the study cited was apparently to try to figure out how we could properly clean up if people insisted on feeding raw food. This study showed that you pretty much can't. I'm willing to bet that no one advocating raw food here routinely soaks their dogs dishes in 10% bleach for 5 minutes).
"Health problems in pets ingesting raw foods have been reported, including documentation of the death of pets due to septicemia (blood poisoning) from Salmonella acquired from raw pet food (11)."
(Your dog could die as a direct cause and effect relationship from ingesting raw pet food).
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Originally Answered: what's your experience with GAPS diet?
To be brief: I love GAPS in theory but one-size-fits-all diets don’t work for everyone.
1) biochemical individuality amongst populations is significant. See Roger Williams “Biochemical Individuality.” George Watson accidentally discovered that people vary widely in the way they oxidize glucose and fat, and that this had profound effects on their physicaland mental health when they were using an inappropriate fuel mixture. He documented this discovery in Nutrition and Your Mind. Sometimes adaptation is not possible beyond a certain point: these are the people who fail to thrive on certain diets, no matter how convincing they might seem intellectually.
2) some people due to genetic/cultural background, naturally favor glycolytic/acetyl CoA fat-burning pathways over Krebs cycle burning of carbohydrates. This is why – which should be obvious – some people clearly feel fantastic on a high fat, protein diet, while othersfeel fantastic or do great on a low-fat, high carb diet. It’s not thefood – it’s your metabolism. One person’s food is another’s poison.Tibetans, who lived in a severe, cold weather environment, wherecarb opportunities were scarce, naturally thrived on things like high fat butter tea. It is an evolutionary adaptation to both the cold weather and a low carb opportunities.
These people will be exquisitely insulin sensitive and will gain weight by simply looking at a bagel, as this was evolutionarily advantageous in the proper environment. Essentially this was what George Ohsawa originally met with the theory of Macrobiotics, before it was codified into a high-carb, low fat diet: You eat according to your constitution (metabolism) and environment (and season). When, after the communist Chinese takeover of Tibet, many had to flee to South India and live in a warmer environment and eat a higher carb diet, they became apathetic, overweight, fatigued and suffered greatly. Sound familiar? It would be like taking a South Indian high-carb vegetarianand moving them to Tibet and making them live on butter tea. They’d feel crappy like a lot of folks on GAPS or low-carb diets.
Given that my family is from southern Italy and my mom’s maiden name is “Mangiapane” – literally “eat bread (!)” can one really assume that I am wired to thrive on a high fat, low carb diet, like someone from Norway, Tibet, or Alaska?
3) Proponents of a dietary system (diet gurus) always champion thatwhich works great for them, and then extrapolate to say that it’s good for everyone, ignoring the fact that this is obviously absurd. This hit home for me when I saw Robb Wolf’s Paleo Solution sitting right next to Dr. McDougall’s The Starch Solution!! They both have plenty of case studies of people reversing diabetes and losing tons of weight by…drum roll please… eating totally opposite diets!
4)It’s sad when a person stays with a diet that makes them feel like crap because of a) an intellectual belief or commitment to a diet that ignores evidence that the diet is making you sick, e.g. fat/protein types who become vegans for “spiritual” reasons. If Paleo or GAPS has not worked for you after trying it strictly for a few months, then youeither have other serious metabolic problems OR the diet is the WRONG FUEL FOR YOU, regardless of your beliefs, or how many cherry picked science studies or scary lectin stories some one is trying to sell you.
5) Is there a food without a lectin in it? Fish have lectins. Any non-grass fed AND FINISHED animal meat will have lectins. Vegetables – all of them – have lectins and some kind of anti nutrients. The problem is the degeneration of the human gut terrain in our post-antibiotic world. Given that every great work of art, science, athleticism, or philosophy has been done under the influence of grains, it would be hard to ignore that while some people get fat and miserable on them, others seem to do quite fine, if not outright thrive. Again, i would humbly suggest this has to do with metabolic tendencies and overall gut terrain health"— that just doesn’t seem to be the case for a lot of people!
I also don’t think that you can get away with eating lots of fruit and honey to make up for it, as fructose is at best, a sketchy sugar to be basing your entire carbohydrate intake on!
Remember, when reading info about raw diets- look at the source.
Yeah... not many licensed veterinarians out there promoting raw food, huh?
Why? Because they see sick pets every day and know what makes them sick. Raw food advocates do not see this because they are not experts. Just because someone can convince you that kibble will give your dog cancer doesn't mean they are an expert on dog nutrition. Reading opinions over the internet on the raw diet (unless written by a Ph.D or licensed veterinarian) is pretty much useless, dead information.
I've fed raw.
My cat has cancer at 11 years old. Terminal.
My dogs have got salmonella, colitis, bloody stools, and life-threatening weight loss problems associated with the raw diet.
Was I doing it right?
Supposedly. I followed books and what opinionated, "educated" people on the internet told me. I always fed human grade foods.
I am thankful my pets are not dead from this diet.
Salmonella and EColi are acid resistant by the way... so cross out the info about your dog not getting sick. There is lead amounts in raw bones comparable to the amount of mercury in dolphin meat. Oh, and dogs aren't wolves. They aren't the same. Sure, same species- but vastly different. Ask a university or vet for this info. They can give you proof of difference.
Raw feeders cannot.
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Google Barf diets or raw feeding for canines - there's a lot of good info on line re ratios of bone, muscle meat, organs, etc. A rule of thumb is 2% to 3% of the adult's body weight, with a nursing female and pups that rule doesn't apply. Also, go to the B-Naturals website and scroll down to raw diets, it gives a good overview of muscle meat (protein source), organs, etc. and recipes for beginners. Good luck.
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Don't do BARF, it has veggies and loads of supplements that dogs don't need.
Instead, why not look into a prey-model raw diet? Meat, bones, and organs. Simple as that. But it's more than just feeding raw chicken. You want to feed a variety of red meats, poultry, and fish. Mostly meat, with some edible bone, and organ as well. The basic ratio of those is 80:10:10.
There's really no cons to a raw diet, unless you don't feed a variety of meats or don't feed organs. That will lead to malnutrition. The pros abound. Healthier coat, clean teeth, fresh breath, little to no gas, and small firm stools. Here's some good info to get you started on feeding a proper raw diet:
Hope that helps!
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Here's a site with some good info. but it is mostly a site that sells pre-made and packaged raw diet and supplements etc. It will give you an idea of what it takes to have a dog on a well balanced raw diet. It is more complicated than feeding your dog a high quality kibble. We use a home cooked diet for our dogs. I don't agree with raw meaty bones unless they are ground because two of our dogs had problems with throwing up and diarrhea when the rmb's were not ground. Also, contrary to popular opinion, dogs can get injuries from raw bones when they are not ground. Grinding is not easy when it comes to raw meaty bones. Some people believe that feeding dogs the whole animal and letting them tear it apart and eat the carcass is good. Dogs have been domesticated for centuries. They may resort to eating anything they can catch and even road kill but dogs that exist like that are not healthy dogs. As far as chicken from the grocery store, there is a lot of skin and sometimes more fat than is good for a dog as far as just buying the meat and throwing it to them raw. Hope the site helps and you might also want to research a home cooked diet as well as kibble such as Orijen.
Edit: Dogs are not strictly carnivores. They are omnivores. So they need more than just meat.
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Originally Answered: Whats a fun diet I can give to my parrot?
Anything that is good for you is good for your bird (No salt, avacado, cafeine, chocolate, ect.) My bird really likes to eat pasta(he loves mac-n-cheese... He only gets a little bit), you can make your bird scrambled eggs, rice, or I even make the low-sodium smartchoice soups for my bird and I.... If he is picky sometimes he has to see you eating it first, or let him sit on your shoulder to get him interested in the food. (alot of the eating process is play.... birds love to play with their food!) My bird also likes it if I warm his fruit up for him....
Toys**** At petstores you can get the bird toys that are made out of paper weaved together, they love to tear the paper up!!! Or you can make your own toys, my bird likes me to attach tissue paper to different places in his cage he just destroys them.... He also LOVES his wiffle ball that he has,(You can put treats in those) birds like to be able to pick stuff up and move it around(I took one of his toys apart so he has a few wooden blocks/beads that he plays with on the floor, one night I was doing my homework and he had been unusually quiet for a long time. When I was looking for him he peaked out from under my bed and I bent down to pick him up but he ran away, I looked under the bed and there were all his toys in a pile.... He was so proud of himself)
They do have foraging toys at petstores also..... Good Luck!!!